Curse

Surendre · May 18, 2007, 05:48 PM // 17:48

What is this bullcrap about?

Ok, so ectos cost less now. Meaning you sell it for a lower price. If you farm ectos usually, you have to sell more to keep up your steady income. But what does that has to do with us?

I'm not concerned, as long as people enjoy and have their own quick methods to get what they want (without harming other players) to fully enjoy this game.

One thing I despise is ''buying'' gold from sites because usually the farming is done by people who get paid way too little for this.

You can buy gold off those sites, only if you are sure that it's not done by people who don't get paid enough for this.

Of course who am I to put up these rules to you? You'll have to use your own wisdom and intelligence.

Aera Lure · May 18, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Repent! REPENT! For the end draws nigh!

Seriously though, ectos have fallen for reasons mentioned: no new classes to get fissure for, release of armor choices that now look as good or better than their fissure counterparts for a fraction of the cost, the turn of the economy such that people are selling former investments for funding. I cant see ecto ever going back up again now as there is nothing that would drive it.

I dont know how low they'll go, but I will never buy ecto again. No reason to. I have only ever aimed for armor choices for looks, not prestige, and I got Treya's fissure back when that was the only way to get Radiant without having to wear tatoos. I still think its the best looking female monk armor choice, but that is simply my preference of course. Other fissures I have or had wanted have now fallen out of favor with me due to other armor releases combined with the increased difficulty of saving for them. I cant be bothered now. Took a long time to get Treya's.

Also, I cannot play in the 100k+e buying market anymore lol so no need to have ecto around. I am happy now with 20k in the bank. Sold off all my remaining ecto to fund skills and Hero needs and I dont see funds rising anytime soon for me unless I find some godsend of a drop.

Ectos will probably continue to be the market norm for 100k+ transactions out of precedence. Habits die hard. What will change is ecto price will be a bit more unstable I bet until it hits its low settling point. Probably not a good idea to invet in large sums of them but just have enough of them around to transact.

TheUndying · May 18, 2007, 07:24 PM // 19:24

For me, I don't really give a crap about Ectos, I don't even care if their price is falling, maybe then i'll be able to afford the fissure armor, right now i'm happy with my 15k armor for all 8 of my characters and 109k in the bank. I think that every single online game is always about how wealthy you are or having the best "L33t" armor there is.

Eldin · May 18, 2007, 07:41 PM // 19:41

I care little about ecto for these reasons:

1) I don't have, nor intend to get FoW anytime soon, as getting 15k armor alone took about 5 days of farming, and that was before the ettin nerf and anti-farmcode was implemented, and before loot scaling.

2) America barely gets favor anyway.

3) When we DO get favor, rarely do I even get ectos. I'm very unlucky. However, that means I'm due for a really valuable drop soon, and, should that be 20 ectos, then I DO need to care.

draftinc · May 18, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

why cant people understand that some peeps like to achieve the titles. titles that happen to be very expensive to obtain. i realise that not many peeps persue titles...but none the less....its alot easier to accumulate the cash needed if u can use something worth 8k+. actually...if anet would lift the bank limit of 1 million...lol...none of us would be arguing about it...lol

Superdarth · May 18, 2007, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by draftinc

why cant people understand that some peeps like to achieve the titles. titles that happen to be very expensive to obtain. i realise that not many peeps persue titles...but none the less....its alot easier to accumulate the cash needed if u can use something worth 8k+. actually...if anet would lift the bank limit of 1 million...lol...none of us would be arguing about it...lol

You seem to forget that the reason you get a certain amount of prestige (From some people anyway, not me thats for sure) for wearing such a title is because that title is hard to get and requires you to work for it, so you whining about it being to hard dousnt make much sense dous it?

MSecorsky · May 18, 2007, 11:01 PM // 23:01

I can proudly say that, across all nine characters, I have... count them... zero sets of FoW armor. Ecto prices mean nothing to me. I did splurge and get 15K on one of my mesmers, but the 1.5K stuff works just as well and looks good.

Let 'em fall.

Does-it-Matter · May 19, 2007, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by draftinc

why cant people understand that some peeps like to achieve the titles. titles that happen to be very expensive to obtain. i realise that not many peeps persue titles...but none the less....its alot easier to accumulate the cash needed if u can use something worth 8k+. actually...if anet would lift the bank limit of 1 million...lol...none of us would be arguing about it...lol

Or you could EARN the titles through means other than economic means. Yes, I know it's easier to buy your titles, but to me, that cheapens it.

Kokuyougan · May 19, 2007, 01:12 AM // 01:12

Diamonds are a rare crafting material introduced in Guild Wars Nightfall. There is currently no known use for Diamonds.

Usage

* None

Acquisition

Diamonds do not drop from monsters in the game, however;

* Diamonds can be obtained by trading 7 Trade Contracts with a Vabbi Trade Official in The Kodash Bazaar.
* Diamonds are sometimes found in high-end "treasure chests".
* The Coffer of Whispers has been known to sometimes give 5 Diamonds.

What salvages into it

* Jeweled Daggers
* Diamond Aegis
* Diamond Djinn Essence

-GW Wiki

There is no use for them, so just use them as currency...

Eldin · May 19, 2007, 04:01 AM // 04:01

I still don't get the "now everybody has FoW! yay!" bit. Well, I do, but I don't get the "everybody gets good drops now, even casual players can make good money".

WRONG.

How does loot scaling help at all with normal drops? Are you talking about Hard Mode? Because FYI that's already lost its luster to many and it's impossible to find groups for it.

Stormcloud · May 19, 2007, 06:09 AM // 06:09

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Originally Posted by Eldin

I still don't get the "now everybody has FoW! yay!" bit. Well, I do, but I don't get the "everybody gets good drops now, even casual players can make good money".

WRONG.

How does loot scaling help at all with normal drops? Are you talking about Hard Mode? Because FYI that's already lost its luster to many and it's impossible to find groups for it.

Not quite sure what circles you run in but everyone I know only plays in HM now...my crowd has no use for NM unless its on a new character.

The Herbalizer · May 19, 2007, 11:03 AM // 11:03

fow armours hasnt been rare for like a year + now...

anet did intend to make 100k + weapons. anet did intend to make 1 million gold + weapons.

its stupid to say otherwise. with all the testing they could easily tell 100k + was easily obtainable. 15k armour which is not even most expensive is 75k gold + materials... they also made rediculously rare weapons which would cause high prices, r7, crystalline, dwarven etc. making a weapon drop like never is clearly going to lead to high prices.

platypustamer · May 19, 2007, 05:25 PM // 17:25

This is what it looks like right now: The people who didn't have money to begin with are happy that those who did have money are now losing it, and those that did are upset because all of their hard work and time is being undermined by both the "less privileged" community and by aNet.

While not insanely wealthy, I was/am very upset about the drop in ecto prices. Personally, I lost about 800k, simply because I had too much gold to store. Ecto has become the standard for trading and gold substitution, so naturally when I had about 3mil (one of my good friends was nice enough to hold about 1.2mil for me, and I had another account to hold the rest), I decided to, instead of burdening myself and my friend with the gold, to simply turn most of it into ecto.

Say what you will, but the time and effort I put into acquiring that money DOES mean that I deserve it, and for anet to do everything in their power to level the playing field simply seems unfair. It is almost like they are backstabbing their most loyal players (about 2600 hours in 13 months) for those who wish to play occasionally.

Just my two cents.

bamm bamm bamm · May 19, 2007, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

fow armours hasnt been rare for like a year + now...

anet did intend to make 100k + weapons. anet did intend to make 1 million gold + weapons.

its stupid to say otherwise. with all the testing they could easily tell 100k + was easily obtainable. 15k armour which is not even most expensive is 75k gold + materials... they also made rediculously rare weapons which would cause high prices, r7, crystalline, dwarven etc. making a weapon drop like never is clearly going to lead to high prices.

I agree that fow hasn't been rare for a long time, but I really don't think they intended for people to have so much money. 15k armor is easily attained via normal play, and the rare weapons only sell for what people can actually pay for, which is currently rather a lot. Anet don't price the skins you listed, the sellers do, knowing full well they can get such high prices from certain people. I also don't think Anet did all that much testing back then and still don't now. Just a couple of weeks ago they notched up the Sunspear title to (10) but allowed people to max it in 4 hours with wurms in hard mode. Clearly not intentional.

It is a fact that the rarest of weapons will only sell to a small percentage of players, but the actual amount of money they sell for is entirely dependent on the rate the game actually gives the gold out. This isn't really a problem with person-to-person trade, as the prices scale with the average ownership of gold (assuming everyone has access to the method of gold attainment, which isn't actually true in this case). This is, of course, inflation, and eventually hits the trade cap, until the players creatively start using materials as currency. The problem is with the player-to-NPC 'trade', as those prices are fixed, so the player gradually has an easier time reaching them.

So what, you ask? Well, you said it yourself at the start of your post. Items are valued via effort, and the easier they are attained, the less they are worth. They are no longer vanity items. Fow is no longer rare.

People no longer have anything to work for and feel pride over. As a side effect, instead of actually stemming inflation, the developers start introducing more expensive items.

I do agree with one thing though: moar testing plx.

Corinthian · May 19, 2007, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by platypustamer

While not insanely wealthy... ... ...when I had about 3mil (one of my good friends was nice enough to hold about 1.2mil for me, and I had another account to hold the rest)

Dude you ARE insanely wealthy.

"Insanely" limit is 100 excess plats in bank. Excess means you don't have to buy anything right now.

assassin rob · May 19, 2007, 06:50 PM // 18:50

Hmm , that ecto's are going down is understandable but Arenanet says ones that it should be easier for Beginning players to buy stuff.But how are they going to do that the gold drop +Normal drop is pretty crap atm.

platypustamer · May 19, 2007, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by Corinthian

Dude you ARE insanely wealthy.

"Insanely" limit is 100 excess plats in bank. Excess means you don't have to buy anything right now.

No, insanely wealthy are the people that spend 500+ ecto on a mini pet...and I'm not accumulating wealth for no reason, I do it for titles (Incorrigable cost me about 1.1, and r2 Sweet Tooth cost like 1.4). They aren't cheap, but that's the point. Anet wouldn't have made such gold sinks if they didn't think people were 1) going to have the money, or 2) actually going to spend the gold. They KNEW people would become wealthy, and now they are, like I said before, undermining that work and trying to level the playing field.

Go look in the high-end forum, some of the biggest players are having "Quitting Sales" because Anet has sucked out every inkling of fun that they used to have--they just see no point in staying. It is sad what is happening, and it seems that it will only get worse unless drastic action is taken...

Curse You · May 19, 2007, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by platypustamer

No, insanely wealthy are the people that spend 500+ ecto on a mini pet...and I'm not accumulating wealth for no reason, I do it for titles (Incorrigable cost me about 1.1, and r2 Sweet Tooth cost like 1.4). They aren't cheap, but that's the point. Anet wouldn't have made such gold sinks if they didn't think people were 1) going to have the money, or 2) actually going to spend the gold. They KNEW people would become wealthy, and now they are, like I said before, undermining that work and trying to level the playing field.

You're getting your tenses mixed up. They knew people were going to try hoarding money, so they implemented a cap of 100k. Now, when they see how much money some people have, they introduce titles that allow these people to spend all that hoarded money on something that took only a few hours to code. Besides, you really don't need r2 Sweet Tooth, so if it costs too much then that's your problem.

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Originally Posted by platypustamer

Go look in the high-end forum, some of the biggest players are having "Quitting Sales" because Anet has sucked out every inkling of fun that they used to have--they just see no point in staying. It is sad what is happening, and it seems that it will only get worse unless drastic action is taken...

Just because people are getting all prissy about how their investment turned bad, doesn't mean something is wrong. What it does mean is that there are a lot of high-end players (people with too much money) who don't get how economics work, and failed to see that Ectoplasm is a crafting material and so its price could easily go up or down.

Loviatar · May 19, 2007, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by platypustamer

No, insanely wealthy are the people that spend 500+ ecto on a mini pet...and I'm not accumulating wealth for no reason, I do it for titles (Incorrigable cost me about 1.1, and r2 Sweet Tooth cost like 1.4). They aren't cheap, but that's the point.

my cost on that is 75k to 100k max

and yes i mean ale hound not simply drunkard.

Malice Black · May 19, 2007, 07:55 PM // 19:55

This forum still fails at civilized discussion I see.